This article was submitted through our submission form
Lineage: It seems like a big deal to a lot of jiu jitsu practitioners these days. Guys listing their lines of instruction or putting up photos of Helio Gracie, and Rickson, and their instructor’s instructor, and then their instructor, and then themselves. I guess I’m in the minority here when I admit I don’t get it. Like, how, exactly, does anything other than your own performance establish how good you are? And how do your teacher’s teacher’s teacher’s accomplishments say anything about you? I mean, a few of my college professors went to Ivy League universities, but it didn’t help me (my diploma still bears the name of a school you’ve never heard of). And some of those professors were actually pretty lousy. I understand that it MIGHT mean I received quality instruction, but the proof has to be in my own pudding. If I aced my exams then there might be something to it, but what about the guy with no-name professors who STILL aced his exams? Am I somehow better than him because my professors had a pedigree? I don’t think so.
Don’t get me wrong, I think it would be super cool to have a connection to the kind of history a lot of BJJ schools are selling, but the lineage alone is not worthy of praise. It would be like learning about football from Vince Lombardi’s protégé: Really neat, but only worth a damn if you’re actively coaching or playing in the NFL. The problem is that many of these lineage salesmen are not. They have this “pure” lineage, but they rarely (if ever) train with their purported instructors and they’ve never really accomplished anything themselves. Or, worse yet, their lineage shtick is somewhat fraudulent: They got most or all of their rank elsewhere and then hopped onto a well-known team at the 11th hour. That would be like going to a junior college for three and a half years, transferring to Arizona State University for your last semester, and then saying you’re a dyed-in-the-wool Sun Devil. Not a total lie, but rather misleading. The irony is that guys who really have a righteous claim to lineage, like Kevin Casey (who pretty much grew up with Rickson’s family), aren’t out there pushing it. They’re too busy achieving on their own merits to care.
I’ve been told by my lineage-obsessed training partners that it makes their technique pure. Again, who cares? Among other things, jiu jitsu is about performance. If you choke a guy to sleep with a move you learned on YouTube or one you learned directly from Royce Gracie, which one makes him more unconscious? How pure did Keenan look in his Metamoris match against Xande? How about not at all? He looked like a totally unconventional maniac, spinning and rolling all over, but he still performed really well – against a BJJ icon. Also, unless you’re Ryron or Rener, your purity is probably somewhat diluted. So the guy who taught the guy who taught the guy who taught the guy who taught you was Mitsuyo Mayeda, huh? Cool. My dad’s dad’s dad’s dad’s dad’s dad’s dad’s dad was Adam!
If you still think lineage, in and of itself, matters, consider this: How did Robert De Niro learn to act? Where did Michael Jordan play his college ball? What university did Bill Gates attend? What school of journalism did Oprah Winfrey go to? Better yet: Who was Marcelo Garcia’s BJJ instructor?!?! Most people can’t answer any of these questions, but they know who these folks are – because of their own accomplishments.
For the record a true style-based connection to the source of our jiu jitsu is a good thing, but not as good as making your own bones. I have tremendous respect for guys like Clark Gracie, who have both, but if I had to choose between the two, it would be a real easy choice.
Mitsuyo “Count Koma” Maeda → Carlos Gracie, Sr. → Helio Gracie → Rolls Gracie → Romero “Jacare” Cavalcanti → Fabio Gurgel → Marcelo Garcia
That’s a badass linage. Fabio also takes privates with Rickson.
Water is purest at the source. If you allow it to have too many additives it becomes something else. Water + dirt = mud. Water + corn + Yada Yada Yada =whiskey
Mitsuyo “Count Koma” Maeda → Carlos Gracie, Sr. → Helio Gracie → Relson → Phil Migliarese → Ryan Dichert→Rayce Neidzwiecki (me)
Robert de Niro went to Laugardia HS of music and art to learn acting (the same as Jennifer Anniston, Nikki Minaj and others).Michael Jordan went to North Carolina University(the same as Vince Carter, James Worthy and others). Marcelo Garcia got his black belt from Alliance under the instruction of Fabio Gurgle and Jacaranda Calvacanti. I understand your point but those were bad examples.
When did asu become an example of higher education?
Lineage matters, but not in the way you describe it. The issue is one of legitimacy … these days you seem to hear about lots of fraudulent ‘black belts’ ripping off the naive with authentic techniques, and one of the easiest ways to pick them out is to ask for lineage. A fraud will either lie about coming from a legitimate black belt, which makes it easy to confirm, or will claim some vague ‘brazilian name’ which is just a huge red flag for being a fake.
Who gives a **** about any of this?
I think lineage is great… (I guess because our lineage is legit) It sets BJJ apart from other arts. Does it mean you’re any good? No. But it’s a form of legitimisation, which I used to consider which club to join.